Church Involvement

Creating a Culture of Involvement in Every Church

What Do You Do When You Are Losing Momentum?

Remain in Me!

What do you do when the momentum is lost?

Millions of people are cooped up in their homes with their children.   They are playing games, watching movies, creating memories and getting to know each other better.   These days provide many opportunities that our normal busy schedules do not allow.

As these days go by, many church buildings remain empty.   We are not assembling and as a result, we are not being ‘built up’ and made stronger.  We aren’t being encouraged and we aren’t encouraging others.   We miss Bible study, fellowship, worship and communing.   Church leadership is concerned about the loss of funding and members who may not return.

The work of the church (ministry) is in limbo.  Many good ministries and church events have come to a grinding halt or have been totally cancelled.  Others are indefinitely postponed.

The question that many dedicated involved church members and leaders are asking is “what do you when the momentum is lost?”    In other words, what do we do while we are absent from one another?   How do we keep the spirit of the church alive?   How may we prevent discouragement during this period of time?

It is obvious that many churches are now using modern technology to bring people ‘together’ digitally and virtually.    This is a tremendous means of bringing us and keeping us together.    I commend and appreciate church leaders and members who are doing this.   As time goes along, such people are becoming more creative in making fellowship possible.   They contribute in a very meaningful way to the life and growth of the church.   Their attempts, are among many things, aiding the momentum of the local church.

But what does God say?   We must remember that God is THE source of all we have that is good and which enables us to live and grow.   His counsel is above all else.

If you read John 15:1-8 you will find several things there:

  1.   God owns and takes care of us – we are His vineyard.  He is the source of all good things related to the vineyard.
  2.   We are to bear much good fruit – there is no qualification on when or where on this.   God does not ‘close shop’ when things and circumstances are bad.  We are expected to bear fruit under all circmustances.
  3.   God prunes us – in fact, He may very well be pruning individual Christians and His Son’s church during these trying times – the goal of the pruning is a higher quality of fruit and more fruit.   We cannot bear such fruit without pruning and pruning many times is painful and challenging.
  4. But I what I really want you to see here is this:   Jesus says “abide” or “remain” in me.   And, then He says for ‘without me you can do nothing.’

The key to momentum or any type of growth, be it spiritual or numerical, is Jesus.   We must be connected to Him; HE is our power source.   Without Him there is no momentum and there is no fruit.

I am all for suggestions from my fellow Christian leaders and members during these difficult times.   I am all ears.    We are trying many new things here in Athens to stay connected to each other/the church.   Yet none are as important to living and church life as being connected (remaining, abiding in) to Jesus.

What is this word “remain” mean?   If you do a thorough study of these words, they carry with them the idea of a personal walk or relationship with the Lord.   It’s more than church attendance or even reading God’s Word.   It is walking with Him.   It is living in His presence.   It is living, serving, praying, suffering and communion with Jesus.

In some very real sense our fruit is different. However, it remains “fruit.” And the key once agian, no matter where we are, no matter what our circumstances are and who we are around, the key to momentum is reaming in Jesus.

After all of this COVID 19 virus fear and death are gone, we must continue to abide and remain in Jesus.    While there is a place for special events and using technology to keep us connected to each other, let us not forget to ‘remain’ in Him.   In Him is ‘lasting’ (eternal) fruit.


Athens, Tennessee

More on Maintenance

More on Maintenance

Many of you have read what I’ve written over the years about “maintenance” in church ministry.   Some may appreciate a review or overview, though.   Please understand that this presentation is not meant to be taken in a negative way.

  1.  Maintenance ministry is providing service for church members to make their Bible and worship opportunities more comfortable and accommodative.   Examples are childcare, communion preparation, A/V, a clean church building, greeters, ample parking, security, etc.
  2.  Maintenance ministries in most cases are internally focused; that is, they are designed to meet the needs of church members versus those outside the church.   However, when visitors visit church services, they, too enjoy the benefits of maintenance ministries.   Guests may require special ministries.
  3. Generally speaking, local church members don’t get too excited about maintenance ministries UNLESS such ministries (for some reason) no longer exist or they offer inferior quality.    When maintenance ministries function well, they are often taken for granted and members don’t get excited about them or hold them in high esteem.    This lack of appreciation sometimes may translate into indifference, entitlement and taking such for granted.  This also may adversely affect fund raising for such ministries.   Generally speaking, brethren will not make sacrifices to finance maintenance ministries.   There is an exception:  if their lack of support personally affects them, they will fully support such a ministry.   Brethren are more likely to dig deeper into their pockets and get excited over some special staff member like a youth and/or family minister.   They are also more likely to give more and get excited over an addition to the church building or an entirely new edifice.

Bottom line:   brethren get excited not over maintenance ministries per se.  They get excited (and usually will give more and be involved more) over a ministry that benefits them personally or benefits someone they love (a child, a friend).

What I would add to all of this is that we can make maintenance ministries more exciting by being and doing one thing:   being evangelistic.   When we gear up to win souls and when we actually start having weekly and daily baptisms and our church services are full of new people, then maintenance is no longer ‘maintenance.’    Such ministries become necessary vehicles to serve the lost and they take on greater significance.   They will no longer be taken for granted or be allowed to be considered as a second rate or less important ministry.    Intentionally opening our lives and church buildings and ministries to the lost will cause many such things to happen.    Trav

First 2020 SERVE Ministries Workshop, April 17 & 18 Has Been Postponed Indefinitely

Schedule for a SERVE Ministries Workshop is as follows:

Friday afternoon:    

8:30   Creating/Recreating a Mission Statement for Your Congregation


9:15 – Introducing Involvement Ministry


9:30 – Organizing for Involvement:  No Time, Part Time and Full Time

Break out session

10:30 – You are God’s Masterpiece:  Your Gift

Break out session


1:00 – Discovering the Real You:  Learning About Personalities

Break out session


2:00 – You Have Some Very Good Baggage that God Can Use:  Looking Closely at How the Lord has Blessed You with Education, Life Experiences & Skills

3:00  – What Drives You?   Looking at Your “People” and “Things”

              Passions:  Your passions are the fuel that drive you to serve

Break Out

4:00  –  How Your Past Affects Your Present:   Your Past Ministry

                   Experience and How They Relate to Your Service Today

5:00 Supper and evening break

Saturday morning –   

8:00 – U Are Ready

8:30 – Real Life Coaching:  What is It & Why is It So Important?

Break out and experimentation of Coaching


9:30 – Bearing Fruit:  How to Motivate the Brethren to Be Involved


10:30 –  Campaigns and Special Events

11:15 – Break out and dismissal 

Costs of Attending:

You will be responsible for your travel expenses and room and board.   We simply ask for a donation to the church to cover expenses for materials and use of the facilities.  This can be any amount small or larger.   Travis Irwin does not receive any compensation for his presentations and will not request or accept any. 

Contact information:

The church office can be contacted Monday through Thursday, 8 am to 4:30 pm. at 423 745 0554.

Travis Irwin can be contacted anytime at 423 920 3060 or email him at

Hotels within 4 miles of the church:

There are 4 high quality motels at Exit 49 on I-75 (I-75 runs between Knoxville and Chattanooga north and south). Those motels are:

The Comfort Inn   423 252 8030  (gives 10% discount; mention Athens church of Christ)

The Hampton Inn   423 745 2345

Holiday Inn   423 649 0003

Fairfield Inn (opened May, 2018)  423 507 0870

I would urge you to go ahead and make your reservations soon; these motels are usually full because we are part of a tourist area.

Following are some responses from our most recent workshop:

Very well done

Workshop made me want to become more involved in ministries…

Great information—encouraged me to be more active in God’s work

Very thorough!   Time flew by

Workshop so interesting and helpful for me to realize what my ministry can be and my passion

If as a church you are serious about every member being a minister and improving involvement in the church, this workshop is a good place to start

Recommend it to any congregation….

I think all in attendance can benefit from the material presented in this workshop.  It helped each of us focus on our own gifts as well as the strengths of others so we may all contribute more effectively and more enthusiastically

Great inspiration to become more goal-oriented in God’s work.

This was helpful in making us getting more involved

Why Is It Always the Same People?

Why Is It Always the Same People?

First of all, I want you to know that this is a church truism.  I’ve talked with church leaders all over the country and they have the same problem every congregation has:  the same people do all the work in the church.   In other words, preachers, deacons and elders are always asking for volunteers to do jobs in the church and the same people always volunteer and the same people don’t volunteer.  It’s a bit perplexing and a bit frustrating at times, too.    Let’s be honest here:  some tasks demand little in effort or time.   Then why don’t the church members, who are not assigned any task, volunteering for these tasks?

We can either get very critical or we can attempt to learn why people think the way they do.   By the way, everyone has a ‘reason’ or an ‘excuse.’   To them that is enough and we should accept it and not bother them anymore.  But please allow me to make a few suggestions and comments:

  1.   Everyone of us can contribute more to the church that our bodily presence and a monetary gift.    Each of us is gifted by God for service.   However, some of us think that our sitting in a pew and contributing our money is all that God expects and the brethren should be happy with those.  While both of those are important, they beg the question—why has the Lord blessed me so much?   The answer is simple:  to bless others.   To bear fruit in Jesus’ name.   In the Lord’s church we have propagated that faithfulness is going to church and giving.    While these may contribute in some way to faithfulness, they do not represent fruitfulness and faithfulness in their great scheme of things.  Discipleship is so much more.  However, we haven’t always done a very good job on teaching discipleship.  We’ve been satisfied with teaching attendance and giving.
  2.   Some of these non-involved folks need to be approached personally—by someone other than a paid professional staff member.    Some folks will not volunteer; they must be asked.  I suggest an elder, deacon or ministry leader ask an uninvolved member and not a paid professional staff member.   Those of us who are paid professionals get paid to ask people.   This doesn’t count.  It’s easy to say “No” to a paid professional but much more difficult to say “No” to someone who is more like you.   Bottom line:  some folks must be approached one on one with a request to be involved.   AND, when asked, they should not be allowed to say “No.”   Give them choices and allow them to come up with a ministry of their own design if they don’t like your suggestions. One of readers, Ronny Jones, suggested that some Christians want to serve but need a personal invitation to fulfill or do a specific task that is consistent with their talents, gifts or skills. . This is worthy of thought and trying. I think Ronny is correct. Thanks, Ronny.
  3.   The parable of the four soils does come into play here.   I am convinced this parable was given to elders, deacons and ministers so we wouldn’t be so hard on ourselves and not be too disappointed in people.    Some folks will never obey the gospel, some Christians will never mature and some will never bear fruit.    That’s just plain scary because Christ said he would cut off those who didn’t bear much good fruit.   We have little control in this.    Should we give up?   No, we must continue to teach and exhort. Let God handle it His own way and let us obey the Lord.
  4.   Some of us are too busy, period.    This ties into #3; some of our lives are too full of fluff.

  Recently the book The Elite came into print.  The author, a preacher and sports nut, suggests that organized sports have gone overboard to the point that Christians who are involved in sports don’t have time for fellowship, worship, Bible study, prayer, a personal relationship with God and family time.   Cory Ten Boom made the observation that if the devil can’t get you to do wrong, that all he has to do is just keep you too busy for God and His people.   It seems the devil is right about this.

5.  Some, in fact, do have many burdens to bear.   Some members are taking care of sick or shut-in loved ones.   Some are working two or more jobs.    Some are working extreme hours.   Some are discouraged, disappointed or disillusioned.    Some are overwhelmed.    Some have legit reasons.    However, I must add, I know many members that have these same things in common with others and yet they are involved in some form and in some way.

Will we ever have 100% involvement?   Yes.   But for how long?   In 2014 we had 100% ‘promised’ involvement.    100% involvement must be maintained and it is very difficult to maintain.   In an ideal world or church this is the way it should be.   However, we are all at different spiritual levels and we all grow at different paces.   Should we retreat or give up?  Nope.  We should encourage spiritual growth and seek to see folks show their spiritual maturity in many ways including service.   Trav

I suggest the following:

May I be blunt by saying that things are the way they are in the church (the same folks do all the work) because we’ve allowed it and promoted it. Jerrie Barber would probably say that we are happy or comfortable with it that way. However, when we finally get tired of things the way they are (the same folks doing everything) and start teaching for change, things will change for the better. Such an appraoch takes faith and courage. The old approach takes no faith and no courage.

Here are some other suggestions:

Making disciples versus making church members.   We are commanded to do one and Jesus does the other when we obey the gospel.

Preaching and teaching on being fruitful as well as being faithful.   This requires more than two sermons; this is a life time of teaching and preaching.

Bring attention to the fruit bearing of others   Honor to whom honor is due. Focus on the fruitful members and their work; you will be greatly encouraged.

Our 4th & Final CIC is History

Folks eating lunch together at CIC

Our 4th and final Church Involvement Conference is now history. Over 40 folks attended, listened, went to the break out groups, ate together and enjoyed the rich fellowship and content of the conference and the Widowhood Workshop.

Our goals were to promote involvement and to encourage churches to consider the Widowhood Workshop Ministry for their local congregation. Our (Athens) is in the process of starting it here. Five congregations showed great interest in WW.

If you wish to have all 12 lectures on CD, please contact the church office at 423 745 0554 or email me at The cost is only $10 including postage.

My retirement was announced this past Sunday. Deb and I will retire effective December 31, 2020.

Will I continue to do workshops and retreats? Yes! In fact, I’m available this year.

Will I continue to do emails? Yes! If you aren’t on my email list please contact me at

Will I continue to write articles for this website? Yes!

Our plans are to travel and be open to the Lord’s leading. We may work with smaller churches. But I would love to help churches get their members involved in ministry. Contact me if I can serve you in some way.

Travis Irwin

Athens, TN

Where Does Ministry Fit into the Scheme of Things in Your Congregation?

Where is Involvement in the Scheme of the Christian Life?

Church leadership is constantly challenged to meet the spiritual needs of the sheep of their congregation.    They take their positions seriously and want to be good stewards of those under their guidance.

On top of this is the knowledge that there is so much Christians need to know to grow spiritually.     Church leaders hear the same sermons the sheep do every week and they are like church members at times—they are overwhelmed.

First, I must say that the Lord neither gives us too much information nor does He expect too much.   His main concern is reconciliation and growth.   Peter as he closes his second letter says that we should continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18).   Having been born again, as babes we are to grow and the church is to equip us in this endeavor (Eph.4:11).

Where does involvement in church ministry fit into the scheme of things related to personal spiritual growth?    Simple put, the Lord has exemplified several areas of discipline wherein we grow more into His likeness and we also grow closer to Him.    Ministry is one of the many of these.   Others include things with which we are more familiar:  prayer, study, mediation, solitude, fasting, giving, teaching, suffering, fellowship, rest, imitating the Father, etc.    Ministry (serving others, bearing fruit, being involved in ministry) should be a part of any list of Christian disciplines.

The basis of this is that Jesus came to serve not to be served and He came in the form of a servant (Matt.20:28; Phil.2:4ff) and we are to imitate Him (1 Peter 2:21).   Jesus is forgiving, kind, gentle, patient.   He is Savior, Redeemer, the Anointed One of God, He is the Alpha and Omega, the King of kings and the Lord of lords.   He is the good shepherd, the vine, the light of the world and the resurrection and life.   But He is also a servant.   Without this He would not have died.

In answer to the original question, ministry is one of many ways of emulating Jesus and growing spiritually.   It is one of many ways of drawing us closer to the Lord.  It is one of many ways of showing love for the Father, for fellow/sister Christians and for our neighbors.

With this question answered, I will make two suggestions to church leaders:

  •  Consider hiring a spiritual growth minister who will guide the church to grow in all of these areas.    These are sometimes called “Discipling Ministers.”
  •  I can help you with the “ministering” or “serving” part of this and I would love that opportunity.   If I can assist, please contact me.   


My Congregation’s Purpose

Can My Local Congregation Know God’s Purpose?

Yes!   How?   Two simple answers:

Your congregation can know God’s general purpose for them.    It is to reach the lost and make disciples and to help Christians grow spiritually (Eph.3:9-11; Matt.28:19-20; Eph.4:11-15; Acts 16:2).   If more congregations did these two things, the church would be growing numerically and spiritually.     But many congregations have no plan to carry out the Great Commission.  The mission of the church is NOT to assemble but to transform lives with the gospel of Christ.  

Your congregation can discover the greatest real needs in the church and design ministry to meet those needs.   This is easily done.   You will have to know your people and their needs.   You can also ask members what they feel the needs are.  When you discover the needs, you have a pretty good idea what God’s purpose is for your congregation:  to meet these needs.  The goal of every such ministry is to promote spiritual growth.

Your congregation can discover the greatest real needs in the community and design ministry to meet those needs.   I may be able to save you a lot of time with this one because I’ve done the foot work and I’ve talked with other churches who did what I did.   I’ve talked with the chief of police, school officials, city council members, state representatives and senators, city and county mayors and they all say the same thing:   the family is falling apart and there is great drug abuse.   We can create ministries that promote solid families and help those who are addicted.    These ministries can be preventive or corrective in nature.  Above all, they should be evangelistic; only Jesus can solve all the family and addiction issues in our culture.

I think it is also vital that members of your congregation discover how God has designed them for these purposes.   I am of the opinion that when members discover how God has designed them for ministry and when they know the needs of the members and the citizens of their locale, they will see a clear vision/purpose for their congregation.   If your members have no clue as to their personal purposes in life, then how in the world would they ever see how they fit into God’s purpose for the local church?   Both are necessary.

If you are interested in our SERVE Ministries inventories, please contact me at   God bless.  

Our next SERVE Ministries Workshop is November 1 & 2. For more information please contact me at 423 920 3060.


May I Know My Life’s Purpose?

Can I Know God’s Purpose for My Life?

Yes.   And I would like to think that every Christian would want to know what God’s purpose is for their lives.   However, many Christians do not think it is important to discover this.  This is a loss for them, the church and the world.

How do I come to know God’s purpose for me?

First, you can know the general purpose of why you are alive and why you are here.   Colossians 1:16 says of Christ, that he is creator all things:  everything was created BY Him and FOR Him.   Every one of us is here FOR Him.   Life is not about US; it is about HIM.   We are here to please Him and glorify Him and to love Him fully/totally  (2 Cor.5:9; 1 Cor.10:31; Matt.22:37-40).   This applies to Christians and non-Christians alike.

Second, you can know your specific purpose for life by discovering your spiritual gift(s).    For example, if you have the gift of service, you know that you should be serving. The point is the very definition of the gift you have tells you something about your specific personal purpose.  If you have the gift of evangelism, you ought to be busy talking to others about the Lord.  If you have the gift of administration/leadership, you should be leading in some way.  If you have the gift of teaching, you should be teaching.   If you have the gift of giving you would be giving.   Your gift in some very real sense defines your specific mission in life.   However, knowing your passions brings all of this into greater focus.

Third, you can know your specific purpose for life by discovering your PEOPLE passions and your THINGS passion.

Your “people” passion and your “thing” passion will tell you WHOM you should be serving and HOW you should be serving them.   These two pieces of information bring into focus, even in greater detail, God’s specific purpose for your life.  A young lady said that she had the gift of compassion.  She then told me she loved older people and she loved to cook for them.   I think God’s purpose for her is to cook meals for older folks, in this case, lonely older people.   In the process, she brings joy and hope into many lives.

I think having a ‘coach’ can be helpful in assisting Christians to find out this vital information.  But alot of this is just good old common sense. There is not rock science. God doesn’t work that way.

My greatest concern is that so often we are busy with so many distractions we don’t see the importance of this GREAT fact.   If you would like to discover your spiritual gift and passions, please email me and I’ll send you the necessary inventories.

Our next SERVE Ministries Workshop is November 1 & 2. It is an intense 13 hour workshop training you and your church on how to do involvement. Contact me at 423 920 3060 for more information.


Involvement Theory & Reality

Involvement Theory & Reality

I am a firm believer that God supplies all our needs (cf.Phil.4:19).   I am also a firm believer that the Lord supplies everything we need to do His work (cf. Eph.4:9-11; et al) in our local congregations.    

Both of these put together simply mean that the work (that which needs to get done) of each congregation, in theory, should get done.   In other words, there are enough people, gifts, passions, life skills, ministry experience and personalities to get everything done to help a church run smoothly and grow both numerically and spiritually.   In some very real sense, we shouldn’t have to use the word “need” in the church.   Every ‘need’ should be covered by her members.   In some sense, we shouldn’t have to ask or beg for volunteers.

However, this is not reality.   Reality is that many times we have a shortage of volunteers for various ministries in the church (e.g. men leading worship, child care, teachers, etc.).   This is true of my congregation and we have exceptional members.   For some ministries, we are constantly asking (I don’t like the word ‘begging’) and requesting more volunteers.   I am convinced that the ‘man power’ is in the pews (theory) but in reality, not all members are volunteering to fill in where we are deficient (reality).   Why is this?

Some members have proper boundaries.   Some folks know their limitations; they are not going to overcommit themselves to their personal detriment or the detriment of their marriages or families.   These folks have limited themselves to a certain number of ministries and no more.   They refuse to overcommit.  I cannot argue with this.  I do, however, applaud it.    Do I wish they would do more?  Sure, especially when it comes to doing what others apparently do not wish to do.  However, this is not fair.   Everyone of us needs boundaries.

Some members don’t know how God has blessed them for ministry.   Some members have not taken the time or expended the energy needed to discover how the Lord has designed them for ministry.    As a result, they may or may not be involved in any ministry.   I believe, if they knew how God designed them, they would be likely to join the fellowship of ministry in the local church.   We are a priesthood of believers who are living sacrifices.

Some members don’t feel any obligation to serve in any capacity.    This is an interesting point.   Yes, there are some members who seriously do not feel that have any obligation or responsibility to serve in any capacity.  You ask, “How could anyone feel this way?”   Please allow me to explain.   Some feel no obligation because they have not been taught that we each have this obligation or privilege.   Some of us feel this way because we feel like we’ve already fulfilled our obligation when we were younger.  I’ve heard many older members say this especially those with children that they taught when younger.  I really don’t see anything in the Bible about retiring from ministry at any age no matter our circumstances.    Some members are the thorny soil of Jesus’ parable of the four soils.  They are so busy with work, play, sports, recreation, travel, family, hobbies, possessions, friends, gadgets, toys, etc. etc. they don’t have time or desire to serve.   Some in their spiritual immaturity are irresponsible and think the church exists for them.  They have not gotten to the spiritual development point where they actually bear any fruit for the Lord. They have either forgotten or never heard that they were created by Christ and for Christ.   All we can do is continue to educate and exhort and hope they change.

Some of them need to be asked.   In one of my articles (Why Some Members are Not Involved) I mention this reason.    Some folks simply need to be asked.   We shouldn’t prejudge them thinking they would not be interested.   We need to give them the benefit of the doubt and ask them for their help.

There may be other reasons (excuses) that members have.  I cannot think of one that will stand up in God’s court.   No matter our age, our gender, our health, our income, our education, our experience, our Bible knowledge, we should be serving in some capacity.

But this is theory; more important this is what the Lord expects.   We have been recreated in Christ for good works.   We are His masterpiece created in Christ for good deeds.  The ideal is that theory becomes reality.   And, it does when Christ becomes Lord of our lives.


Responses from Attenders of Our First SERVE Workshop

Responses from Attenders of the first

SERVE Ministries Workshop

Our first workshop is history.   Originally, we had folks coming from four states and in that mix an elder, a deacon, a preacher/counselor and a family involvement minister.   Due to a death, the preacher and his wife were unable to attend.

The workshop was never designed for large groups.  I believe smaller groups allow more sharing and greater detail.   I think a limit of 20 max is good and smaller groups make more sense. When a congregation has a workshop for its leaders and/or their spouses, the max number could increase. I’ve had as many as 65. I will also continue to encourage church leaders to bring their wives; the wives (or ladies) contribute much to the overall event.

One attending sister stated (in her evaluation) that “I got more than I expected.” She also wrote, “The workshop was so insightful and provided good guidance in involvement ministry inventorying, coaching and implementation.   I strongly recommend new involvement ministers to take this workshop.”

Another sister wrote, “This was a great workshop.  Material was informative…Many ideas to take home and use….”

An elder wrote, “I clearly recommend this session if you are attempting to involve your members in vitalizing their God given gifts.”  His wife wrote, “Wonderful compilation of insightful material that, if applied as intended, should bear much fruit, i.e. set members on fire wanting to serve God!”

It’s important for you to know that I always ask attenders to share what they thought were the strengths and weaknesses of the workshop.   Every suggestion that has ever been made has been integrated in my future workshop or retreat.

Our next workshop is scheduled for November 1 & 2 here in Athens.  I am looking for a church in Nashville that will allow me to do a workshop on their campus that will be open to area churches.   Nashville is much more central than Athens.  I am still open to doing workshops for individual congregations of the Lord’s church in the United States.  Please contact me at or call me at 423 920 3060 if I can serve you.   

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